2021-02-28 A Deep(er) Dive Into Starter Maintenance
With a special look at feeding cycles and starter discard
Sometimes I wish I was a sourdough newbie all over again. Is it because I could again enjoy learning all about this wonderous process we all immerse ourselves in and revere? Well, yeah, there is that, but mostly I wish I could again be in that early stage where I thought I knew everything. Now when someone asks a question, I rarely have a clear cut answer. I waffle and start by saying something like, "It depends on what you want to do." Still, sometimes it seems that newbies are divided into two large groups (and a few smaller ones).
One large group is afraid of making a mistake and is looking for THE right way to do things. Bad news bread heads - there isn't ONE right way to do things! Also, you'll learn a lot more by experimenting and making a few batches of bad bread than you will if people tell you what to do. A bad batch of bread isn't a big deal. I don't think I've ever made a totally inedible batch of bread. Well, a few times I fell asleep and the bread burned, and one time my night baker didn't take my admonition to calibrate the thermometer seriously and she grievously under baked bread which cost us customers - they just didn't like goo oozing out their breads! Still, with most failed experiments, you can grind the bread into bread crumbs and season it, you can cube it and sell it as croutons or turn it into bread pudding. SO many options!
Another group thinks they know it all, any especially know the One True Way of doing things. In truth I spent some there, but had lots of baker friends who expanded my horizons and vision. (Or, brought me back down to Earth.) Fanaticism rarely survives contact with reality, but sometimes reality has to knock on your door really, really loudly for you to notice someone is at the door.
There are smaller groups of newbies and bakers who work hard to expand their horizons without being prodded. I'm there - on my better days anyway - and I hope you will be there also.
Before we get into the real topic of this note, I'll share two thoughts. As Father Dominic, The Bread Monk, used to say, "It's only bread, it will forgive you!" Also, if you are happy with your bread, you're doing it right - no matter what someone on social media says.
What brings on this semi-philosophical opening? I've been getting lots of questions about feeding starters, hooch, and discarding starter lately. And everyone seems to think their way is the One True Way. In reality, a lot depends on what your goal is. We select our tools - and methods are tools - to meet our needs. As the old saying goes, "to a man with only a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail."
Today, the world wide trend is that we eat much less bread than we used to. This is true in the United States, France and Germany. Individual consumption was over 1 1/2 pounds per day in Germany and France, as bread was their main source of nutrition. In the late 1940's, Americans averaged about 5 slices of bread per day, which is small compared to Europe, but still more than today. Andrew Whitley in "Bread Matters" commented that he knows of no industry that has so dramatically cheapened its product and then complained that consumers aren't buying it the way they used to. Yes, there are other headwinds facing bread, such as gluten issues and low carb diets, but a lot gets back to the fact commercial bread doesn't taste as good as it used to, and many people report digestive issues after eating commercial bread, even if they don't have gluten issues.
The reduction in bread consumption has an impact whether one is a home baker, a cottage food producer, a village baker or if one has a modest sized bakery. Somewhere on the site I joke about our romantic image of maw and the oldest daughter baking several times a day to keep themselves, paw, the other 12 kids, the ranch hands, the farm hands, the miners and the posse that drifted through fed. Baking is rarely a several time a day thing for households these days, or even for anyone that doesn't have at least a modest bakery. Historically, most bread was risen with sourdough, so we made lots of sourdough starter and used it. And, I seriously think, that the starter was happier that way, in the way that working dogs that are bred to work hate not working, I think sourdough starter wants to make baked goods. Maybe attributing wants and desires to microscopic organisms is a bit too much anthropomorphism, but there we are. I'm in the middle of the scale here - I don't name my starters, but I do talk to them. However, I don't believe they answer me, so I'm not completely crazy (which is what someone who is completely crazy would say, isn't it?)
Another historical note. When reliable baker's yeast became available in the mid to late 1800's bakers abandoned sourdough in droves. Yeast didn't need to be fed at all hours of night and day and in the hands of inexperienced people yeast was much more reliable. As a result, much sourdough knowledge was lost. When sourdough began to become popular again in the 1970's or 80's, bakers had to relearn, to rediscover, how to handle sourdough. There were, to be sure, isolated pockets of sourdough admiration that had survived the great sourdough abandonment. San Francisco retained a lively sourdough culture throughout. Italy used, and uses, sourdough to make Pannetone among other breads. France uses sourdough to make levain breads. And Germany has had its own sourdough culture, more about that in a few minutes.
The most common sourdough maintenance protocol is to feed a retained culture flour and water. Biologists call this approach "back slopping". Catchy name, huh? In many biological cultures this would be a recipe for disaster with the culture changing and not retaining it's character. However, the bacteria and yeast in a sourdough culture have many defense mechanisms to keep out unwanted organisms. How strong are these defenses? If you add bakers yeast to a healthy sourdough culture, the yeast will be gone in about two feedings. It just can't survive the acidity. While some sourdough yeasts are the same type as bakers yeast, they are different strains. Off the shelf bakers yeast does not survive exposure to a sourdough culture.
Some of the key elements at work here are the feeding paradigm, the hydration of the starter, and how much the starter is fed. Each of these things has impacts on the starter, and are discussed in a tab below.
This is excellent! I’ve gotten fairly obsessed with sourdough and my main weekly bake is bagels. I keep a fairly small amount of starter in the fridge; take it out and feed it/scale up for the 225g I’ll need for a bagel batch, then send it back into hibernation.
I keep a quart of discard/backup starter in the back if the fridge to make pancakes or crackers.
It’s been an easy routine and I don’t worry all that much about the starter. I figure if prospectors could manage to keep their starter alive without food scales and refrigeration, I can manage. 🙂
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Love your blogs and have learned so much. I’ve been making sourdough for a few years now and have been experimenting with types of flour I feed (rye, whole wheat or bread flour) ratios and on occasion hydration. This Deep Dive was especially interesting and timely. I do keep my starter and a jar of discard in the refrigerator at all times until a couple days before bake day when I start to feed. Recently started keeping a notebook so I could see what difference the changes make and notice they all turn out great looking and tasting loaves of bread and the tastes are just minor differences but could also be due to the difference flour I’m using in the actual dough or the length of time I do a retard. Bottom line is that I no longer stress over what ratio, flour or hydration level I use in the starter because there doesn’t seem to be a wrong way, just a different way. Thanks so much for your blogs and the class I took from you. Just bake is my motto!
Hi Sally,
Thanks for the kind words!
I like your bottom line – don’t stress! As Father Dom said, “It’s only bread, it will forgive you!
-Mike
there’s a lot of bewilderment out there in the bread/baking/sourdough world, as I’m sure there are in many ambitions. Speaking of foolish questions I recently read on Facebook about someone complaining about a pancake recipe that made her pancakes too thin, and asked how to make them thicker. SMH. It takes a Village, and I suppose patience (and calm) is a virture.
Hi Thomas,
Oh yeah! I think that is a great example of someone who is afraid to experiment and wants to know the One True Way. One of my (many) mottos is “when it doubt, try it out.” The worst thing that can happen is you make a batch of bad bread, or pancakes you don’t like. If you can afford a computer and Internet access, hat’s hardly the end of the world!
-Mike